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A Secular United States.

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A Secular United States.

Postby todd » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:40 pm

Great letter in a local paper written by USMAN
RAMZAN,
MD
PUTNAM....http://www.villagernewspapers.com/pdf/PUT.2014.01.10.pdf
I
would like to thank Ms.
Smutnick for her Christian
Revisionist response to my
final paragraph regarding
the wisdom of our Founding
Fathers separating Church and
State.
I sincerely enjoyed reading her
opinion and must also thank her for
prompting me to do some more
reading on the topic. I respect indi-
viduals who incite me to educate
myself and broaden my mind. Just
like you, I am a perpetual student of life.
She started her letter with a quote from a
cowboy actor who became president. In the
spirit of quoting famous historical figures, I
turn to one of the greatest minds of the 20th
century. Dr. Einstein (not to be confused with
Mr. Einstein) said, “A human being is a part
of the whole, called by us Universe, a part
limited in time and space. He experiences
himself, his thoughts and feelings as some-
thing separated from the rest — a kind of
optical delusion of his consciousness. This
delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to
our personal desires and to affection for a few
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to
free from this prison by widening our circle
of compassion to embrace all living crea-
tures and the whole nature in its beauty.”
Let me please preface my reasoned and log-
ical argument with the understanding that I
respect and encourage everyone’s right to
practice their religion and/or creed. As long
as your religion does not infringe upon my
Constitutional rights, then you are welcome
to practice and proselytize your faith. I also
encourage free thought and an intelligent
exchange of ideas. This is one of the beauti-
ful things about the United States —
people can express their opinions
without fear of persecution or retri-
bution.
Upon further in-depth research
and cross-referencing of reliable
sources, I can confidently state the
United States of America is a secu-
lar nation for people of all religions.
In fact, the words: “Jesus Christ,
Christianity, God, or Divine,” are
never mentioned in the
Constitution. The Constitution
states, “No religious test shall ever be
required as a qualification to any office or
public trust under the United States” (Article
6 Section 3). To give equal citizenship to
believers and non-believers alike was
unheard of during that era. This was sheer
genius.
The United States is not a Christian nation
and does not endorse Christianity as its offi-
cial religion. The Bible is not the source of
legislation or jurisprudence. And if it was,
then we would have the re-enactment of the
1692 Salem Witch Trials, because such dra-
conian laws would still be in effect. We would
also consider it blasphemy that Copernicus
introduced the heliocentric universe theory,
which is now known as fact. The “Dark
Ages” during the Church’s political zenith is
labeled as such by Western historians for a
reason.
The Founding Fathers were a mix of
rational deists, atheists, spiritualists and
materialists. Their writings are immortal-
ized and I am not going to quote them ad nau-
seam. I recommend reading Thomas
Jefferson’s or John Adam’s inflammatory
writings about organized religion and their
thoughts on Christianity, which can be easily
discovered. If after reading our Founding
Fathers’ thoughts on religion, one does not
agree they were not Christian in any sense,
then one is being intellectually dishonest and
delusional.
I believe the most powerful proof that we
are a secular nation that caters to all faiths is
found in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli Article XI
which was written under President
Washington’s term and signed by President
Adams. This was a proclamation by our
Founding Fathers on the world stage to all
nations specifically addressing the Osman
(anglicized to Ottoman) Empire. It states: “As
the Government of the United States of
America is not, in any sense, founded on the
Christian religion — as it has in itself no
character of enmity against the laws, reli-
gion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]
— and as the said States never entered into
any war or act of hostility against any
Mahometan [Mohammadan] nation, it is
declared by the parties that no pretext aris-
ing from religious opinions shall ever pro-
duce an interruption of the harmony exist-
ing between the two countries.”
I believe I have presented a plethora of
sound proof to substantiate my claim.
However, as a scientist, I always like fail safe
mechanisms and back-up safety systems.
One final fail-safe point to rest my case will
be done through a rhetorical question. Would
a “Christian Nation” allow the Church of
Satan to have its global headquarters in the
United States of America?
Anton Levey founded the Church of Satan
in San Francisco, Calif., in 1966. Since then,
the worldwide administrative headquarters
for Satanism has been moved to New York. I
will allow the readers to answer the above
posed question in their own minds. But, I can
confidently say that a secular nation that
respects all beliefs would allow Mr. Levey the
luxury and freedom to engage in such
“Christian blasphemy” as long as he is not
infringing on the rights of any U.S. citizen.
And as a rational thinker and champion for
free thought, I applaud the U.S. government
for allowing it and not engaging in hypocrisy
par excellence.
From a current day practical standpoint, I
can say that I have never been asked about
my religious affiliation by any governing
body or government sites, which include and
not limited to: the post office, public
libraries, police departments, court systems,
town clerk’s office, institutions of higher
education, and hospitals/medical clinics.
Furthermore, when getting married, the
Justice of the Peace never asked my religious
affiliation and there is no such documenta-
tion on the marriage certificate. Heck, the
greeter at Walmart does not ask my religious
affiliation. I, just like my fellow Americans,
can go about my daily business without any
uninvited interjections by religious dogma.
So yes, the Founding Fathers were brilliant
when they separated Church and State. They
created a melting pot nation that has become
a superpower because of the infusion of dif-
ferent minds, ideologies, and cultures. This is
analogous to combining a spectrum of wide
ranging DNAs to create a healthier and fitter
phenotype. May God bless all my brethren:
Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,
Confucius, Agnostic, Spiritualist, Pantheist,
Rational Deist, Atheist, and yes even the
Satanist. We all are in need of good Karma
energy as we are all fragile creatures.
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Re: A Secular United States.

Postby okbye » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:48 pm

"If after reading our Founding
Fathers’ thoughts on religion, one does not
agree they were not Christian in any sense,
then one is being intellectually dishonest and
delusional."

:clap: :clap:

Jefferson abhored the church, and most of the rest weren't far behind. These men came from a place where the church and the government were so entwined you couldn't tell where one started and the other ended and both were corrupt and the whole point of starting this government was to make sure that never happened again. Well, here we are centuries later with the church and the government still both corrupt but still separate.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." - Thomas Jefferson 1802


"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." John Adams - Treaty of Tripoly, article 11
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Re: A Secular United States.

Postby tj » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:41 pm

Amen.

Now would someone please get the fundies to subscribe.
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