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Refugees

Postby Kinsley » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:55 am


In the Iraq War Thread.

carla wrote:It's been going on for a while. I've read in-depth articles that state,
with good background and sources, that Iran was involved in picking
Iraqi gov't. Just read a long article about Maliki. Why did we bother
-- all those lives for what looks to be nothing -- we can't fight other
country's civil/religious wars. I find nothing surprising in what is
happening there.

If you're out of the loop, just google "news." Mosul & Tikrit have
been taken, and more.

...and, just what that region needed was a million more refugees.
I'm usually awake at 6:AM, so I watch the BBC World News.
There are millions of refugees in Africa and Asia, some have been
in camps for a decade or more. They are becoming restless.
Many are trying to get to Europe. Consequently, many European
countries are becoming increasingly anti-immigrant.

The people of this planet have to figure out how to deal with
refugees in a better way than warehousing them in fenced
enclosures full of tents or improvised huts. That may be necessary
as temporary stop gap measure, but ultimately we have to
locate people from regions dominated by those obsessed with
violence or becoming unlivable because of prolonged drought
or coastal erosion to places that can support a greater population.

I hope I don't live to see it, but the sea level is going to rise and
hundreds of millions of people are going to have to relocate.
Refugee camps will burst at the seams and chaos will engulf
much of the world.

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Re: Refugees

Postby ABwannabe » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:51 am

The people of this planet have to figure out how to deal with
refugees in a better way than warehousing them in fenced
enclosures full of tents or improvised huts.

I agree. I can't imagine the difficulty of being in the position of wanting to show practical compassion and assistance to a group of people, while remaining responsible to those I'm responsible for governing. Obviously, the current solutions (at least, those that we hear about) aren't what we want. I wish I knew a better solution.

In Star Trek, they seem to always find an unoccupied planet suitable for relocation. Too bad we don't have that kind of space travel.
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Re: Refugees

Postby carla » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:19 pm

agreed. I don't remember the Syria numbers, but half-million have been reported from Iraq in the past few days.
(not to mention the importance of birth control)
Resistance isn't about damaging the country, but protecting it.
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Re: Refugees

Postby carla » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:22 pm

And the most recent mainstream media in US says the Mexican border immigrants are from S. America, not Mexico. Considering how the US has played with them... (Guatemala, El Salvador, etc.) Yes, I have helped S. American immigrants, personally.
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Re: Refugees

Postby okbye » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:13 pm

I don't see anyone volunteering to take them in....

I'm not really for fixing the world's problems. We have millions of homeless and starving people here that no one helps. Send them birth control and let them sort their own governments out.
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Re: Refugees

Postby Kinsley » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:41 am

okbye wrote:I'm not really for fixing the world's problems.
We have millions of homeless and starving people here that
no one helps. Send them birth control and let them sort their
own governments out.

Seriously?
I suppose you would have let Hitler take Europe and the Japanese
have Asia while we just built up our border defences. :shock:

We are all in this together. Isolationism is not an option.

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Re: Refugees

Postby okbye » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:44 am

No, because he wouldn't have stopped there. There's a difference between stopping a maniac and sustaining people in a land that can't support them. Sending them food just compounds the problem. We are not the world's saviors no matter how much we like to think we are. In most cases our help isn't even wanted or appreciated. Charity begins at home, feed America's children and homeless and if there's anything left over then we'll talk.
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Re: Refugees

Postby Kinsley » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:48 am

okbye wrote:No, because he wouldn't have stopped there. There's a difference between
stopping a maniac and sustaining people in a land that can't support them.
Sending them food just compounds the problem. We are not the world's
saviors no matter how much we like to think we are. In most cases our
help isn't even wanted or appreciated. Charity begins at home, feed
America's children and homeless and if there's anything left over then
we'll talk.

I wasn't suggesting that we could or should try to "save the world".
Quite the contrary, my point is that if civilization is to survive, the
world has to save itself. Leaving billions of refugees to starve is not
a workable solution. Some will starve, but like a hoard of zombies,
the rest will come for us with nothing to lose.

We need a strong United Nations. The argument that the one we have
is ineffective does not lead to the conclusion that we should give up on
the idea. I see the situation as analogous with the American colonies
in the 1780s. The Articles of Confederation did not give the government
the power to do what was necessary, so the farsighted Americans wrote
and accepted The Constitution.

I don't expect to live to see it, but if the people of earth don't get their
zhit together and learn to cooperate, they are headed for chaos.

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Re: Refugees

Postby okbye » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:47 am

America has always had a world savior attitude, we like to be seen as the world's father. Like we are so awesome we can fix everyone. We can't even fix ourselves. The only starving people who could rise up against us are the ones who live here. Ethiopians are not going to rise against us and the poor here already are after us through their crime.
If cooperation isn't done smartly it is of no use. Sending food to people in an unsustainable area doesn't help them, they just get stronger and breed more and their unsustainable children survive to suffer and breed some more. The only way to actually help them is to make the place they live work and help them control their population. Seems to me half the aid sent anywhere is appropriated by their government and never reaches the people anyway.
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Re: Refugees

Postby ABwannabe » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:24 am

okbye wrote:sustaining people in a land that can't support them

My father used to say that he understands the wars in the middle east. He just thinks the winner should be allowed to leave.
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