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Cornbread: Sugar, or no Sugar?

Sugar has no place in cornbread.
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Sugar is a key ingredient in cornbread.
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I go both ways.
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TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby chefshawn » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:19 pm

Yeah, that's right. we've been over this several times, and i'm sure you can already guess what my next two topics will be.

Right now, though, let's have it out. does sugar belong in cornbread?

feel free to defend your answer by sharing your heritage, locale, and/or favorite recipe.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:54 pm

No! Hell no! Sugar has no place in cornbread.

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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby n8urebabe » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:00 pm

I don't know if it "belongs" in cornbread, but I don't like cornbread without it.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby okbye » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:07 pm

The argument is so silly. You put salt in your sweet baked goods to intensify the flavor don't you? That's what putting a little sugar in cornbread does. But it ultimately doesn't matter, make it how you like, but it's still no more authentic cornbread than mine or anyone else's is.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:15 pm

okbye wrote:The argument is so silly. You put salt in your sweet baked goods to intensify the flavor don't you? That's what putting a little sugar in cornbread does. But it ultimately doesn't matter, make it how you like, but it's still no more authentic cornbread than mine or anyone else's is.


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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby josh253 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:21 pm

Gimme some sugar, baby.

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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:24 pm

josh253 wrote:Gimme some sugar, baby.

If you don't like sugar in your cornbread, then the terrorists win.


If you like sugar in your cornbread, then you hate Sweet Baby Jesus.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby sadiedog » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:27 pm

Um...both?

I like no sugar (or up to 1 Tbs) when it's appropriate to have savory cornbread and up to 1/4 cup when I want sweet cornbread. There is nothing better than a hunk of warm sweet cornbread, butter and a tall glass of very cold milk.

To keep peace, I've been relegated to calling one "cornbread" while calling the other "corn muffin."

*shrug*

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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby chefshawn » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:37 pm

i'm with norm, to the extent that i will buy his bumper sticker and/or t-shirt, but i'm not drinkin his kool-aid.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:57 pm

It's grape kool aid shawn.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby josh253 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:44 pm

Norm357 wrote:It's grape kool aid shawn.


But it doesn't have any sugar in it. (that's bad)
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:14 am

There is a whole lotta wrong in this thread.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby okbye » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:36 am

There's a whole lotta stubborn and closed minded in this thread. :P
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Chef Mongo » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:46 am

I do both. If the cornbread in question is serving its highest purpose of sopping up pot likker from a pot of beans or greens, then no sugar.

If it's for breakfast, with sugar. Actually, for breakfast I'd be more likely to make spoonbread.

Spoonbread with honey and cream cheese FTW.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:30 am

Stubborn and closed minded is good when it comes to sugar free cornbread.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Butterbean » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:32 am

I don't like sweet cornbread, but some sugar is OK. :twisted:
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Madalive » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:52 am

I grew up about 45 northwest of Detroit and about 30 miles northeast of the Jiffy mix plant, so growing up I eat the boxed Jiffy mix corn bread and enjoyed it. Then I moved to Columbia, South Carolina and I had some free time so I started going to the local meat and threes and BBQ joints. This is where I learned the joys of smoked pork, sugarless cornbread, and mustard based sauce.
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Postby aslansavz » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:19 am

I go both ways :)
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Gipper » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:32 am

sadiedog wrote:Um...both?

I like no sugar (or up to 1 Tbs) when it's appropriate to have savory cornbread and up to 1/4 cup when I want sweet cornbread.


This. Whether or not sugar is appropriate in a cornbread recipe depends on what the cornbread is going to do.

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Sugar serves two important roles in a baked good. The one we think of is as a sweetener. The other is the fact that it is hygroscopic, meaning it hangs on to water. For food, this means moisture. So, the question of whether to add sugar to cornbread is less about the cornbread itself than it is about what is around it. Anywhere cornbread will be eaten with something that has a lot of moisture to it and calls for a more savory flavor (say, with a bowl of chili--without beans, but that's another show), cornbread is best when it has no sugar, such that the cornmeal in the bread will be drier--and thus more apt to soak up the flavors from the dish around it. However, when it will stand alone, as a replacement to a starch or veggie (say, next to a steak), it should have sugar, to provide a counterbalance and because otherwise it will fall apart on the plate.

Also, any cornbread recipe I've ever seen relies on chemical leavening and the creaming method. This combination produces a thing that is not a bread or a cake (due to the way air pockets are formed and the structure of the dough), but rather a muffin. The sugar, in this case, does not much affect the bubble structure, due to how little there is.

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Also, it's worth noting that ABs cornbread recipe (way back from season two!) had sugar in it.

Shawn, can we get an "all of the above" option?
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby LucyLu » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:19 am

I'm on team Jiffy. I make whatever comes in a box . . . :oops:

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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby ghenne » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:38 am

n8urebabe wrote:I don't know if it "belongs" in cornbread, but I don't like cornbread without it.

+1

I have a total sweet tooth. I like sugar in it. I've tried it without...blech!
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby tj » Fri Jun 25, 2010 11:57 am

We usually have Jiffy Mix done in a cast iron skillet. Because I don't eat a lot of bread, the mix helps to make just enough to prevent spoilage. Fizzy, I can identify with your pain at hearing the word "bread."

I'll eat most any cornbread I can lay hands on and don't feel that too much dogma belongs on my dinner table. Food does.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Dana » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:10 pm

I like sugar in my cornbread.
Unless honey is an option.
I will suffer through eating cornbread with no sugar if I can smear it in honey.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby chefshawn » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:29 pm

for the gipper, i added another poll option, gave you the opportunity to pick two options, and the right to change your previous vote.
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Matt » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:41 pm

I am extreme in my opposition to extremism for any cause.

I skip the sugar when I have awesome, coarse grained corn meal from a reliable source. When I run out and go with a more locally accessible product, a TBSP of sugar helps things out immensely.

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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby fizzviic » Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:54 pm

Sugar in cornbread is an abomination against God and man.

Besides, the sugar might caramelize and ruin your cast iron cornbread thingy)
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby bigchz » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:37 pm

I grew up with the Jiffy cornbread and still enjoy it from time to time but, only for the nostalgia factor.

It wasn't until I met my wife that I had homeade cornbread. She is a strict no sugar kind of gal. :) So, i've never had homeade cornbread with sugar.
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Postby Kamidanshir » Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:46 pm

Interesting what a stark contrast there is in the open-mindedness and acceptance of difference between the "sugar" and "no sugar" crowds. :think:
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby okbye » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:51 pm

Kamidanshir wrote:Interesting what a stark contrast there is in the open-mindedness and acceptance of difference between the "sugar" and "no sugar" crowds. :think:


Crowd? Only 1 person checked no sugar so far in the poll. I bet I know who it was too :wink:
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Re: TAKE A STAND: Round 2 - Cornbread

Postby Norm357 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:01 pm

If you put sugar in cornbread, it by definition, is no longer cornbread. It is a corn cake. Two seperate critters.
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